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Utah on verge of passing bill demanding Feds relinquish public land

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SALT LAKE CITY – Lawmakers who want to seize control of federal lands are pushing a legal battle they insist is winnable despite multiple warnings their effort is highly unconstitutional and almost sure to fail in court.

Utah is poised to become the first state to pass a package of bills that demand the federal government relinquish claims to huge sections of public land. A proposal that advanced Wednesday demands that by 2014 the federal government cede control of nearly 30 million acres -- nearly 50 percent of the entire state.

A bill setting an identical deadline is also moving in the Arizona Legislature.

Rep. Ken Ivory, who is leading the effort in Utah and helped draft model legislation for use in other states, said the federal government doesn't treat states like equal

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Submitted Mar 07, 2012 By: RNCII

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KAR120CSII Champion Author Oregon Posts:3,167 Points:617,895 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 3:54:00 PM Ignore KAR120CSII Report Abuse Ever see how Utah handles it's public lands? Try Goblin Valley some time. And the 'School Board' lands? The Feds aren't doing such a great job, but it's better than Utah. Go on SUWA website to get my jist.
tjc09f Veteran Author Tallahassee Posts:468 Points:668,045 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2012 11:28:35 PM Ignore tjc09f Report Abuse interesting
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,590 Points:1,606,595 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2012 6:07:35 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse LEC: just reading the first paragraph had me thinking the same. Thar's oil in them hills... and we ain't giving it up to DC.
pbug101 Champion Author Georgia Posts:2,444 Points:576,975 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 6:33:38 AM Ignore pbug101 Report Abuse Ok
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,595 Points:1,202,835 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 5:10:17 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse You have to be a little afraid of those 2 states with their crazy State Legislators. The land is so valuable, read....ripe for exploitation. Sounds like a GREED disaster to me.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,934 Points:2,342,585 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 3:59:59 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse The Feds own nearly 50% of Utah? What exactly is on the land that the state wants? The state is angry that it has missed opportunities to develop and mine lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Forest Service. ...we feel that we have federal land management policies that ignore the needs of the state, county or local residents. *...not responsive to local needs. Sorry about that Utah, federal law and ownership over states rights. 12/22/2012!
numbers Champion Author North Dakota Posts:2,801 Points:850,040 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 2:15:56 AM Ignore numbers Report Abuse No
VDubBill Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:3,765 Points:1,260,120 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 1:15:30 AM Ignore VDubBill Report Abuse Start worrying if the National Parks and Forests have signs in Mandarin Chinese at the entrances.
vulcan96 Champion Author Ohio Posts:26,879 Points:3,100,750 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:46:58 AM Ignore vulcan96 Report Abuse just do it !!
hank1326 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:8,904 Points:1,731,110 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:45:46 AM Ignore hank1326 Report Abuse Less government the better. Especially with the current clueless administration.
RickF350 Champion Author Washington Posts:3,411 Points:705,310 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:32:16 AM Ignore RickF350 Report Abuse Good!
carman11 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,319 Points:688,800 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:25:57 AM Ignore carman11 Report Abuse There is also concern that access to state-owned or private lands will be increasingly restricted by Congress or even with the stroke of a president's pen, which happened in 1996 when President Bill Clinton created the 1.9-million-acre Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument in southern Utah. Good for Utah who is poised to become the first state to pass a package of bills that demand the federal government relinquish claims to huge sections of public land. A proposal that advanced Wednesday demands that by 2014 the federal government cede control of nearly 30 million acres -- nearly 50 percent of the entire state. More States need to take their STATES BACK!!!!
frostyWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,339 Points:519,235 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:25:08 AM Ignore frostyWV Report Abuse won't happen.
TopGunn Champion Author Baltimore Posts:9,171 Points:2,613,355 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:24:58 AM Ignore TopGunn Report Abuse Who is getting greedy now?
srchr Champion Author San Jose Posts:7,238 Points:1,617,125 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:23:59 AM Ignore srchr Report Abuse that was the original idea, how to disburse the lands to the citizenry
LoneGuy Champion Author Lansing Posts:8,465 Points:2,315,070 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:23:19 AM Ignore LoneGuy Report Abuse When this nation was founded the federal governmental powers were limited by the bill of rights. Look how much power it has taken in violation of the Constitution.
HolyJoe Sophomore Author Boston Posts:110 Points:700,765 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:23:00 AM Ignore HolyJoe Report Abuse BEST OF LUCK
Bigwaynef Champion Author South Carolina Posts:11,451 Points:2,077,835 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:22:30 AM Ignore Bigwaynef Report Abuse If it's for drilling...get ur done...
Dodge_Me Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,214 Points:553,980 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:22:14 AM Ignore Dodge_Me Report Abuse Hmm, why?
Matt G Champion Author Boston Posts:4,518 Points:2,770,115 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:20:48 AM Ignore Matt G Report Abuse Good
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,605 Points:3,491,680 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:19:57 AM Ignore DEG Report Abuse CA and NV are also largely owned by the federal government. I agree with zonkthegreat about this not directly being a gas issue (unless the purpose is to drill for oil).
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:18:40 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Leave these forests to the states, they will be gone in a short while. Oil & gas means money to the states. If you don't mine within their state when the land sitsn on 'PROFIT', they want the land crded back to the state from the feds. Dangerous for our future.
zonkthegreat Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,642 Points:275,175 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:17:22 AM Ignore zonkthegreat Report Abuse Not sure what this has to do was gas? Beside this has been a western US issue for years. The state is only looking for more tax money in the end of this anyway.
GOBUTLER Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,425 Points:387,585 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:15:42 AM Ignore GOBUTLER Report Abuse Interesting...
10k Champion Author North Carolina Posts:21,226 Points:2,251,095 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:15:31 AM Ignore 10k Report Abuse if utah pulls this off, maybe nevada can get more than 15% of their state also, since nevada is 85% government property.. i wanna see area 51..y'all know-that place that doesn't exist-lol.. [Edited by: 10k at 3/8/2012 12:17:11 AM EST]
Bonito Champion Author Dayton Posts:15,734 Points:3,004,970 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:15:19 AM Ignore Bonito Report Abuse WOW --- here comes the another war -- maybe they will part from the rest of the county and become their own Country?
mfeldstein Champion Author Ottawa Posts:8,161 Points:1,928,430 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:12:43 AM Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse Double_Golden ... What a drag it is to read you.
v240 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,050 Points:1,482,705 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:11:42 AM Ignore v240 Report Abuse And this has what ?? to do with the price of gasoline ??
Double_Golden Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,545 Points:602,460 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:08:50 AM Ignore Double_Golden Report Abuse ok
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,522 Points:1,855,445 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:08:08 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse I don't know enough about stuff like this..whatever works is fine with me.
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,505 Points:1,666,660 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:07:53 AM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse I can't see this ever happening.
Gassed01 Champion Author Toronto Posts:6,339 Points:1,799,115 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:07:41 AM Ignore Gassed01 Report Abuse What a bunch of mormons.
pastorpaulcg Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,615 Points:775,785 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:07:22 AM Ignore pastorpaulcg Report Abuse Ok
regout Champion Author Quebec Posts:2,940 Points:829,780 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:06:42 AM Ignore regout Report Abuse Utah may have something there.
TheSicilian Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:5,364 Points:1,466,825 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:06:07 AM Ignore TheSicilian Report Abuse if obummer can so can they
heartbroken2010 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:4,329 Points:894,610 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:05:56 AM Ignore heartbroken2010 Report Abuse interesting.
Pumpz Sophomore Author Boston Posts:197 Points:887,125 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:03:01 AM Ignore Pumpz Report Abuse Go Utah.
tampacrvdriver Champion Author Tampa Posts:3,341 Points:709,510 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:02:45 AM Ignore tampacrvdriver Report Abuse Let's see what happens.
furiousfowl Champion Author Riverside Posts:16,840 Points:2,746,155 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:02:41 AM Ignore furiousfowl Report Abuse good luck
cheapchickKY Champion Author Lexington Posts:4,002 Points:793,365 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:02:37 AM Ignore cheapchickKY Report Abuse Interesting.
gass12 Champion Author Omaha Posts:8,375 Points:2,300,810 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:02:33 AM Ignore gass12 Report Abuse Who do they think they are? By the time this lawsuit is over the Goverment will own the State.
mcmonsta Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,212 Points:815,520 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:59:06 PM Ignore mcmonsta Report Abuse good luck & i hope you have very deep pockets...how long do they think it will take and by what century?
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,767 Points:641,660 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:57:47 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse States rights.
BlueVanGroup Champion Author Colorado Posts:7,195 Points:1,525,730 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:56:34 PM Ignore BlueVanGroup Report Abuse A great idea, but this administration (and many establishment Republicans) want the federal government to control everything.
Suzzoom Champion Author Nevada Posts:2,349 Points:503,010 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:54:48 PM Ignore Suzzoom Report Abuse How is that land currently allocated? Military bases? Reservations? National parks? Grazing? Blowing things up? If it's BLM (Bureau of Land Management), that doesn't mean it's not used.
mfeldstein Champion Author Ottawa Posts:8,161 Points:1,928,430 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:54:09 PM Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse A bit too greedy.
mrreferee Champion Author Savannah Posts:1,336 Points:555,280 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:52:59 PM Ignore mrreferee Report Abuse Those crazy Mormons.. They just might win!
gasaholicMO Champion Author Missouri Posts:2,621 Points:510,940 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:51:44 PM Ignore gasaholicMO Report Abuse Federal land grab. Courts will not let it happen.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,882 Points:2,129,500 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:51:28 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse It will fail big time and come back to haunt those states.
g747 Champion Author Mobile Posts:4,526 Points:930,745 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:50:28 PM Ignore g747 Report Abuse Uphill battle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.