Higher gasoline prices make us smarter

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	Tuesday, December 02, 2008 The Windsor Star -- No sooner have we laid the whole price parity issue with the United States to rest, we now have to deal with the biggest crisis in automotive history with the Big Three literally on the verge of bankruptcy, automobile sales are at their lowest ebb in more than 25 years and a worldwide economy is veering off the track toward recession/depression/choose your economic holocaust. My solution - I can already feel my inbox erupting - is to raise gasoline taxes. Not just a little, symbolic uptick but massive increases - huge even. Despite loving cheap gas as much as the next person, raising the price at the pumps could minimize the U.S. dependence on foreign oil, reduce pollution and, ironically, also help save the U.S. automakers. Visit The Windsor Star for full article

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foxesfords Sophomore Author Atlanta Posts:226 Points:63,700 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: 12/11/2008 10:28:24 PM	Ignore foxesfords Report Abuse
	I cannot believe what I am reading.
foxesfords Sophomore Author Atlanta Posts:226 Points:63,700 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: 12/11/2008 10:25:54 AM	Ignore foxesfords Report Abuse
	Yes, it is true.
Nflooring17 Sophomore Author Baltimore Posts:183 Points:35,775 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 3:36:31 AM	Ignore Nflooring17 Report Abuse
	That is true.
rwsb30 Sophomore Author Dayton Posts:135 Points:46,405 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 3:06:20 AM	Ignore rwsb30 Report Abuse
	Im with you CheapoBob,, a'DUMB IDEA'indeed!!somebody needs to lay off the Molsons.
CheckeredDemon Rookie Author Portland Posts:15 Points:5,150 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 1:23:46 AM	Ignore CheckeredDemon Report Abuse
	Yeah that's great- give more money to politicians. They always handle it so well, don't they?
bh1995 All-Star Author Detroit Posts:850 Points:770,975 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 1:04:22 AM	Ignore bh1995 Report Abuse
	I'd rather pay more gas tax than see those money go to the pocket of OPEC.
FastAndy Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:2,025 Points:536,160 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 1:02:03 AM	Ignore FastAndy Report Abuse
	Increasing taxes are never a good idea. Remember this summer when we were paying over $4.00 a gallon, did they lower or eliminate the taxes for a tax holiday? No they didn't so we shouldd have to pay more tax now that prices have gone down. We should just save our own money for next time they are back over $4.00 again.
JDHancock Veteran Author Florida Posts:363 Points:35,230 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:58:06 AM	Ignore JDHancock Report Abuse
	Can someone tell me what this guy is smoking? If gas drops to and stays at $1.25 a gallon, I could see a .05 Cent tax to help build other sources of energy, but if gas were go up to $1.40 a gallon then drop the tax. that would be the only way to enact a gas tax. You know that OPEC and the Oil would never allow that to happen ( PRICES GET THAT LOW ).
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:3,539 Points:781,315 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:56:31 AM	Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse
	As far a C hrystler goes, I hate to say it but that is what investors get. They made their profit now they want to cry. As for the others, the stockholders should have voted them out and the unions are going to have to give a little. It seems Ford is the only one that is saying they do not need help, just want a line of credit to prove they have the governments backing. So I guess in the future if we want US we will be buying Fords. Since the other companies Not US will pick up the production the jobs will go to them. Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
dick57 Rookie Author Winnipeg Posts:18 Points:15,485 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:56:07 AM	Ignore dick57 Report Abuse
	Raising taxes is only a viable solution if our politicians were to put this money to good use. Few if any educated people in both Canada and the United States have not witnessed both of our countries waste valuable tax dollars. The main problem is that what one person sees as good economic spending of our tax dollars is viewed by another as a waste of our tax dollars. Can we really expect our politicians to know the difference?
CheapoBob Champion Author Alabama Posts:1,574 Points:990,000 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:55:25 AM	Ignore CheapoBob Report Abuse
	what a dumb idea
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:1,690 Points:306,855 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:50:03 AM	Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse
	It makes us wiser... on how to SPEND... our money... not smarter...
ace07 Champion Author Utah Posts:1,743 Points:434,870 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:49:24 AM	Ignore ace07 Report Abuse
	Raising taxes is never the answer. Government needs to quit this tax and spend routine. Especially when they are spending trillions more than they bring in.
xBOOMx All-Star Author Wisconsin Posts:591 Points:286,755 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:48:39 AM	Ignore xBOOMx Report Abuse
	higher price makes me smarter.... I DONT THINK SO .... it make me think of what i should do put gas in the truck or food on the table... well now a days since the gas went down.. i got both and not holding back on either one.. i got my shelfs full of goodies and gas in my ride ready to go anywhere..
abyssiniandog Sophomore Author Kansas Posts:172 Points:55,005 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:46:54 AM	Ignore abyssiniandog Report Abuse
	I say let Canada and Mexico bailout the auto manufacturers since almost every part that makes up an "American" automobile is manufactured in one of those countries. It's not the US auto workers that would be most affected by a GM, Ford, and Chrysler bankruptcy.
RLH68 Champion Author Orlando Posts:2,245 Points:458,525 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:46:42 AM	Ignore RLH68 Report Abuse
	This author is just plain NUTS! I totally disagree with his logic. As to the automakers, they couldn't see past their noses, pushing the gas-guzzlers on the public. All for the sake of the almighty dollar. They dug their own hole, let them wise-up and find their own solutions. Start by getting rid of the overpaid CEOs. You can bet they are having steak dinners every night.
blink25 Sophomore Author Missouri Posts:172 Points:39,200 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:43:32 AM	Ignore blink25 Report Abuse
	Taxes high enough. The oil companies arent hurting for money, just look at the record profits they are all posting. Maybe it is making some a little smarter in how they live, but for alot of people it hurts them no matter what because they are living on a budget that is hard to budge.
captne76 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,346 Points:249,430 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:41:01 AM	Ignore captne76 Report Abuse
	The only way I could see a slight raise in the gas tax would be if they got rid of the toll booths on the TPike and the GSP in NJ. Those things stink and the tolls just went up yesterday. People are pissed, me too.
skybiker Veteran Author South Carolina Posts:387 Points:80,055 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:36:31 AM	Ignore skybiker Report Abuse
	No more taxes.. How about we just keep conserving and keep the prices down.
romatod Sophomore Author Vermont Posts:163 Points:54,500 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:33:40 AM	Ignore romatod Report Abuse
	dang right it does
jmvbat Rookie Author Corpus Christi Posts:49 Points:37,505 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:25:14 AM	Ignore jmvbat Report Abuse
	Raise gas taxes keep price at 2.00/gal. I can live with that.
iheartfishhog Rookie Author New York Posts:39 Points:6,955 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:24:56 AM	Ignore iheartfishhog Report Abuse
	raise the taxes? are you nuts? uh huh. that will solve it. which then means people will buy less gas because they can't afford it like when it was $4 a gallon. give me a break.
adccarpet Sophomore Author Virginia Posts:190 Points:28,550 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:24:54 AM	Ignore adccarpet Report Abuse
	call me stupid....send cheap gas
TornadoRed All-Star Author Iowa Posts:801 Points:377,130 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:22:43 AM	Ignore TornadoRed Report Abuse
	missleman, a Veteran Author from Oakland, wrote: "Thanks." You're welcome, dumbass.
Cretired Champion Author Louisiana Posts:1,962 Points:810,460 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:19:14 AM	Ignore Cretired Report Abuse
	They're a business, if they refuse to give the consumers what they want, then they fail.
hortnut Sophomore Author Portland Posts:183 Points:24,925 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:14:46 AM	Ignore hortnut Report Abuse
	The big 3 have seen this coming since the ''gas crisis' of the early-mid 70's. And yet did not produce reliable, quality, economic passenger vehicles but put there effort in Suv's and Large Pickups. I live in a rural area about 15 miles out of town, with many of my neighbors working in the 'city'. In the am and pm commute, it is amazing as to the number of 4x4's that are "Road Queens" and have never [nor will they ever] see mud and dirt, much less work. And we do not have that much snow. It is all show.
FlyNFool All-Star Author South Carolina Posts:525 Points:123,555 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:14:12 AM	Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse
	End all the silly regulations and the Big Three will be just fine. Then send each of us a million smackers and I bet the American people will end all of the Crisis and spend our way back to prosperity.
walker1 Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,324 Points:819,415 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:12:10 AM	Ignore walker1 Report Abuse
	Yea it made us smarter, but gas and oil should not have been that high to begin with. We got punked
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:1,218 Points:339,920 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:12:00 AM	Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse
	Why don't we just give you are checks and you send me some money to live on?
missleman Veteran Author Oakland Posts:374 Points:54,270 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:11:40 AM	Ignore missleman Report Abuse
	Thanks.
JediMickey Veteran Author Tampa Posts:297 Points:70,620 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:09:10 AM	Ignore JediMickey Report Abuse
	ok
CDUBYA Sophomore Author Ohio Posts:211 Points:465,550 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:08:18 AM	Ignore CDUBYA Report Abuse
	Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
MetroSexual Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,166 Points:248,215 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:07:00 AM	Ignore MetroSexual Report Abuse
	I would agree to this: Tax the guzzlers by the pound and engine size. Their heavy weight is what ruins roads. Tax exempt EVs.
Pstreicher Veteran Author Tampa Posts:381 Points:179,695 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:06:20 AM	Ignore Pstreicher Report Abuse
	Everyone's got the hand out.
ssect8 Veteran Author Hartford Posts:313 Points:698,865 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:05:51 AM	Ignore ssect8 Report Abuse
	If you want to reduce pollution get rid of those darn coal fired electrical plants, that's where the problem is. Now is the time for nuclear power not oil or coal.
MSKV Veteran Author San Francisco Posts:394 Points:97,645 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:05:44 AM	Ignore MSKV Report Abuse
	oh ya
tessnlu All-Star Author Missouri Posts:780 Points:103,120 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:05:20 AM	Ignore tessnlu Report Abuse
	I agree with bigreddwg!
domer2 Champion Author Gary Posts:1,072 Points:418,700 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:05:17 AM	Ignore domer2 Report Abuse
	yea sure
sagab Veteran Author Alberta Posts:395 Points:71,635 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: 12/3/2008 12:04:48 AM	Ignore sagab Report Abuse
	gas here today was 79.9 cents a liter. 79.9 cents/liter x 3.78 l/gallon = $3.02 / gallon. some of that diffreence is diffrence in the dollar but a lot of that is tax. We did hit $1.38 / liter at the peak on the long weekend in september. [Edited by: sagab at 12/3/2008 12:06:26 AM EST]
rjoeh Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,362 Points:1,066,635 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:58:23 PM	Ignore rjoeh Report Abuse
	I totally agree... North America needs to back off from oil dependence on others and make vehicles more efficient to conserve what we have.
bigreddwg Champion Author Tampa Posts:3,048 Points:619,315 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:58:08 PM	Ignore bigreddwg Report Abuse
	only if we do not go back to consuming - please america, keep conserving and push for alternative fuels and fuel efficient cars!!
driver169 Champion Author New York Posts:4,309 Points:996,005 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:54:40 PM	Ignore driver169 Report Abuse
	"oncotime" strikes again. Very informative post.
fairchildd Champion Author Kansas City Posts:1,108 Points:407,790 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:54:06 PM	Ignore fairchildd Report Abuse
	oh please
thinkaboutit All-Star Author Colorado Posts:547 Points:23,050 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:53:22 PM	Ignore thinkaboutit Report Abuse
	goodbuy, You object to purchase dollars going abroad, but you don't object that the US sends $600 million each day (at $50 per bbl) to foreign oil suppliers. I call those people pseudo-patriots. (Yes enhanced domestic drilling could reduce this temporarily to $570,000 if consumption patterns stayed the same) We all make lifestyle choices and these should be generally steered, but cannot be managed in detail because different people have different priorities. Or, in absence of political steering, the economy will adjust itself, like the gasoline prices last summer. Count yourself lucky that you were in a situation sending that much gas money into your tank. There are less fortunate individuals who could no longer afford to do so.
ttaylo01 Sophomore Author Dallas Posts:205 Points:115,635 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:53:20 PM	Ignore ttaylo01 Report Abuse
	We are our greatest in the face of adversity.
Wizrd03 Sophomore Author Illinois Posts:226 Points:68,775 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:49:45 PM	Ignore Wizrd03 Report Abuse
	Another socialist moron for an author. Raise taxes for the public good. What about the poor guy striving to make ends meet?, the independent trucker trying to make a living. The government won't give back to them, just some bs make work program or bailout for a business that should have known better. Chrysler has already gotten a loan once (& luckily paid it back) but did they learn anything? NO. Let them all go chapter 11 and be re-organized by the courts. That will create a balanced labor force with that of the foriegn automakers and allow the domestic automakers to create a profit. The big 3 produce vehicles that are similar to the foriegn makers at about the same price (otherwise thay couldn't sell the vehicle) and can't make money on it due to the labor costs. They are looking to the future to create vehicles that conserve our resources. Will we buy them?
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,078 Points:236,955 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:49:35 PM	Ignore mstearno Report Abuse
	and this guy dummer
Prodaddy Champion Author Houston Posts:1,641 Points:480,670 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:45:54 PM	Ignore Prodaddy Report Abuse
	Isn't that the truth, sad but true
MINER Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:5,763 Points:1,918,895 Joined:Jul 2002	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:45:10 PM	Ignore MINER Report Abuse
	Boy am I glad this guy lives in Canada... Least I think he lives there. Bankruptcy might be the best idea for the auto makers. If they really need to come out a slimmer industry. Whats wrong with them paying a good wage for the labor. Believe its the health care costs thats messing them up.
vindog442 All-Star Author Los Angeles Posts:604 Points:137,525 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: 12/2/2008 11:44:48 PM	Ignore vindog442 Report Abuse
	Make any tax revocable once prices it a certain price point say 3.50/gallon.This way we can take advantage fo the break now and invest in roads and alternate energy while promoting some conservation. My guess is that a 35 cent gas tax would be palatable and still leave pries around 2.50 gallon.

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